I have seen breeders go to court and sue puppy buyers who thought they were above the law and felt it was their right to breed their dog.. Your breeder sells her puppies for $1000 and you breed your limited registration dog and produce 10 puppies, You are liable for a bill of $10,000.. Be aware that this does happen, and if you signed a contract, the breeder will win in court.
The average pure bred dog isn’t worth breeding. Unless you are showing your dog then it needs to be spayed or neutered. If you are showing your dog then you need to be looking into a show quality dog which will likely cost you more than a pet quality dog.
I wish to purchase a purebred Alaskan Malamute, they are large dogs (170-200lbs), with their ‘tickets’ and all their up to date shots, but I wont recieve breeding rights? With the amount that is being asked for the dog, I would like to have breeding rights, is it common for breeders to withhold breeding rights? is it legal?
Is it legal ?? You bet it is.. All dogs are not worthy of being bred. Dogs sold as pets are sold on non breeding agreements, or on limited registration, or even spay neuter agreements. You want a dog from a breeder, you follow their rules? If you don’t want to follow their rules to buy their dogs, then you look somewhere else.. Not everyone should be breeding. Why should a breeder just trust anyone that comes along, with a line that they have built up, and have been working on.. Their own reputation at stake, just cause you feel like having puppies ??
Add: To the person that said it’s okay to go ahead and breed your dog that you buy on LImited Registration, that the only result is puppies that can’t be registered. Be aware that the breeder can sue you for the price of what they would charge for a puppy, for each and ever single puppy you produce with a dog you bought without breeding rights. I have seen breeders go to court and sue puppy buyers who thought they were above the law and felt it was their right to breed their dog.. Your breeder sells her puppies for $1000 and you breed your limited registration dog and produce 10 puppies, You are liable for a bill of $10,000.. Be aware that this does happen, and if you signed a contract, the breeder will win in court.
Also check your breed standard.. 170-200 lbs.. That is way too big.. AKC says
Size, Proportion, Substance
There is a natural range in size in the breed. The desirable freighting sizes are males, 25 inches at the shoulders, 85 pounds; females, 23 inches at the shoulders, 75 pounds. However, size consideration should not outweigh that of type, proportion, movement and other functional attributes. When dogs are judged equal in type, proportion, movement, the dog nearest the desirable freighting size is to be preferred.
Yes, breeds rarely sell breeding rights and then usually only to other reputable breeders. Breeding dogs also cost a lot more.
Yes, it can be. There are many concerned that puppy mills are purchasing the dogs, so they are only allowing them to be registered with Limited Registration with the AKC.
Some will allow full registration if they feel comfortable with the buyer,.
I would imagine that it is very common among good breeders. They have a good line going and don’t want it ruined by some backyard breeding scum who has no idea what they’re doing.
Perhaps you should talk to the breeder about your interests in breeding one of their dogs. They might direct you to buying a more expensive quality dog that is closer to the breed standard.
Perfectly normal and perfectly legal. The average pure bred dog isn’t worth breeding. Unless you are showing your dog then it needs to be spayed or neutered. If you are showing your dog then you need to be looking into a show quality dog which will likely cost you more than a pet quality dog.
i run into this all the time with certain kennels. just look elsewhere, it wouldn’t be worth the hassle of going to court over if they sued. i feel that once you buy something, it is yours. if they want to co-own the dog, that is different. but make sure they are willing to split the cost of ownership too (food, vet bills, boarding, training etc.)
yes, it is very common. If a breeder doesn’t feel that the dog is “breeding quality” they are VERY responsible for selling it on a spay/neuter contract. And yes, it is legal
Yes pet quality dogs should have limited registration and be sold on a spay and neuter contract.
That is very common that all pet quality dogs are sold on spay and neuter contracts and and limited registration.
Not every dog should be bred.
And yes of course it is legal.
It’s 100% legal and very common. The breeder is protecting their lines. They want only the very best to ever be bred, and you can never be absolutely sure with a puppy. Besides, they need to be at least 2 years old to be OFA certified. Most breeders will give breeding rights when the dog’s old enough to prove herself. Check the contract.
Certainly is common among good breeders – no one should be breeding a less than perfect dog, plus it takes more than buying a pedigree dog and hooking her up with another to be a decent breeder.
Most back yard breeders have no clue what they are doing, breed poor quality dogs in substandard conditions – and are just out for a quick buck. That’s not what breeding is about, that’s just greed and selfishness.
Yes they can with hold breding rights, but you can still breed… you just can’t the puppies registered. Breeding a dog costs lots and lots of money. Even before you breed you need to make sure the dog would benefit the breed. Top of the line dogs for that breed. You would need to talk to a vet and have them run all the tests for physical problems that run in the breeds history.And so on. You don’t really make money off of breeding a dog either. I have a husky which we breed and to do everything the way it needs to be done is very costly.
Also a good breeder doens’t buy a dog just to make money off of him or her. Go to the akc website and read up on the breed standards, and then go from their. We bought a husky which w ethought we might breed, but decided not to bc he wasn’t the best in his breed. he was 4 inches to tall.
Absolutely. Sounds like you are buying from a reputable breeder. The breeder sells breeding rights ONLY for those dogs she feels are of a good enough quality to be bred. The others are sold as companion dogs and must be neutered.
There can be a hundred very good reasons why a particular dog should not be bred.
There are many good reasons why a breeder will issue limited registration on pet puppies.
Reputable breeders have rights AND obligations to their breed.
One is to keep a new owner from breeding on undesirable traits. That’s why it is sold as a pet.
Another reason is to keep a new owner from turning the pup into a breeding machine in their back yard.
Good breeders want to be sure of the welfare of the pup they place and the welfare of the breed they love.
Yes, my research says it is very common. I just bought a purebred rough collie with champion lines and paid $900. If I wanted a show dog (buying the dog to show) it would have cost $1200 to $1500. The right to breed the dog is also a different agreement. My AKC registration a “limited” registration because I’m not showing him or breeding him. I believe this is correct…..but others feel free to jump in.
THis is VERY common. VERY leagal (heck in LA you leagally must spay & neuter so it ain’t leagal for him TO sell breeding rights)
One of the untimate horrors for a breeder is the idea they might accidently sell a pup to a puppy mill or to a BYB who only values the dog as an ATM….
Yes it not only legal but it is the breeders right to do this. I did it myself when I didn’t want a pup to be bred!
You have to understand that if a breeder does this it is for a very good reason. It is either to protect their lines against indiscriminate breeding or they feel the pup is not worthy of breeding in the first place.
Putting a pup on a limited registration is quite common and a lot of very good breeders do this.
Wow, first of all, whomever is breeding that size Malamute is breeding a dog WAYYY out of standard. A 200 lb. malamute is an abomination that could not do its job, and should not be bred, in any case.
To answer your question, yes, responsible breeders generally sell on spay/neuter contract or withold breeding rights all of the time. You’re paying for a pet, and that is what you’re getting. If you were buying a dog to show or work, it might be a different story (of course, you couldn’t do either of those things with a 200 lb. Malamute, but I digress…)
Some breeders charge more for “breeding rights”; however, I would not consider that “responsible,” unless there was a showing/working stipulation associated with the price.
It is completely legal — if you agree to the terms of the breeder’s contract, you are bound by it.
If you are not comfortable with those terms, look elsewhere for your dog.
ADD: Personally I’d find a breeder that understands and breeds for correct size. Start looking here:
Expect to buy on a spay/neuter contract if you don’t plan to show or work the dog.
Yes it is called limited registration. Basically they do not feel the dog has breeding potential. I am assuming you are a pet only home. I am suprised they are not requiring a spay/neuter contract. I sure would if I was selling limited registration.
breeding should only be left to dogs who are qualified to contribute to the breed. With so many abandoned dogs, it’s pretty serious business to breed and should only be done to benefit the breed, not because someone wants puppies or wants to make money.
I have a dog whom I have full registration rights. I bought her as a show dog, to show. She comes from superb bloodlines and is a superb dog herself. However, that is my opinion and will ahve to be confirmed by a judge.
Your breeder seems to be quite responcible for not allowing breeding rights. I would do the exact same thing.
I would say almost all reputable breeders sell their puppies to pet homes on limited registration. Some breeders will agree to lift that and convert to full registration if the dog finishes a champion ship or proves itself in other fields (agility, etc) and has been fully health tested. This way their protect their. BTW if you do breed your dog on a limited registration, the puppies will not qualify for AKC registration and usually you will pay a fine to the breeder.
It has nothing to do with competition, it has to do with making sure only those who really know the breed, its standards, its health concerns breed their dogs.
PS: raising good puppies is not a very profitable business, when you factor in costs of shows, health screening for the dogs and puppies, socialization, food, time you take off work (when whelping the litter) etc.
Do some research whether or not you really want to breed in the first place.
Just because you are getting a top notch dog doesn’t mean it would make a good breeding specimen. There are many things breeders look for to find what is right for their programs and their lines. Some lines won’t work well with others. Others are great. However if your malamute is on the smaller side…and 200 pounds sounds HUGE for this breed of dog…your dog probably wouldn’t be a picked specimen. Body shape matters a lot too as well as bone structure. Often the larger boned dogs are taken as breeding specimens because they are able to endure the stresses that breeding puts them under. And the breeder is also responsible for making sure that there are no skeletal problems, or no hip and elbow problems too. That is why most if not all breeders OFA their dogs. They pick specimens also based on the soundness of their bodies and their minds. Temperament is a HUGE factor when it comes to breeding.
This is the reason reputable breeders require a spay and neuter contract. Of course you have a top notch dog…because that’s what a reputable breeder goes for. If you check with many reputable breeders of different breeds you will find that they very rarely sell dogs for breeding.
Yes it is common and yes it is legal.
I didnt sell pups with breeding right to just anyone. They had to show the pups. They would get unlimited registration, but it was to show first and then to breed if the pup was titled.
Otherwise it was a limited registration, no breeding rights. This was when I breed my dogs(not right now, have bred in the past).
I rehome puppies and none of them will leave with breeding rights. They all have to be neutered.
Why you ask. Well I dont want the pups bred helter skelter.
I did have unlimited registration, and the people that bought those pups showed the pups titled the pups and then they could breed.
Are you going to show your dog? Do genetic testing? Do what is necessary to make the breed better?
Most breeders wont give you breeding rights unless you are willing to do this.
I know breeders that have one price for limited and another for unlimited (quite a bit more also.. like 2000. more.)
I dont know what you are paying for your dogs but this would not surprise me if they charged lots more for breeding rights.
So yes it is legal. (what are tickets?)
Crazy_cat_lady if I found a person with one of my puppies breeding said puppy with out proper papers I would come and take the puppy back! Dont encourage people to do that it is a violation of most spay/neuter contracts and a violation of the limited registration. The Dog and the pups would be living with me as the contract would then be null and void… per very good lawyer!
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